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Written by RP Dido   
Sunday, 08 November 2009 16:37

DidoSphere

Pacquiao-Cotto, Elorde-Ortiz II

By Dido

 

W ith the Pacquiao-Cotto fight just less-than a week away, it is time to chime in with my thoughts on the fight.  I am very superstitious so I cannot help compare this fight with the second Ortiz-Elorde fight in the sixties. There are similarities.  Cotto is from Puerto Rico, so is Ortiz.  Cotto is an orthodox fighter, so was Ortiz. Pacquiao is from the Visayan Region, so was Elorde.  Pacquiao is a southpaw, so was Elorde.  Pacquiao is going up in weight against Cotto so was “Da Flash” against Carlos Ortiz.  I hope the similarities end there because “Da Flash” ended up getting knocked out by Ortiz in the 14th round of their rematch which was held at Madison Square Garden on November 28, 1966. It might be a jinx that there are some similarities with these two fights.

 

Now back to this fight.  First, HBO Pay View is going to charge us $54.95 for the show instead of the $49.95 we had been accustomed to paying. Pacquiao is a -250 favorite according to Las Vegas odds makers.  But why did Freddy Roach agree to a catch weight of 145-lbs? This is a strategic error on Roach’s part. As we have seen in the Mayweather vs. Marquez bout, two pounds make a big difference.  Mayweather gladly paid Marquez $600,000 to come in at two pounds above the contract weight of 144-lbs. We saw the result. A very strong Mayweather toyed with Marquez for 12 rounds.  The other side of the coin is that Cotto’s camp could have asked for the welter weight limit of 147-lbs., theoretically making Cotto even stronger. If Pacquiao’s camp is calling the shots, why didn’t it insist on 140 or 142?  The Boricua would be very strong at 145.



Editor’s Note: Please check out this latest article from the New York Times:
Manny Pacquiao and Trainer Freddie Roach Form Formidable Team

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/08/sports/08pacquiao.html?_r=1&nl=todaysheadlines&emc=a23

 

I do not like the fact that Freddy Roach seems to be getting cocky. True he made Pacquiao the fighter he is today, that is, from a one-hand puncher to an all-around fighter with thunder in both hands, fast foot work and a master of angles. But Freddy has been shooting his mouth saying Cotto is tailor made for Pacquiao and that he is going down in 1 or 2 rounds.  Furthermore, Roach seems to be looking past Cotto. In a recent interview he claimed that Mayweather-Pacquiao would be a very-easy fight for the Filipino boxer.

 

As for the fight, many fight fans think that Cotto is damaged goods because he took a beating in the hands of Margarito and eked out a split decision against Cottley. My spin is that Cotto trained poorly for the Margarito fight and Margarito probably plaster wrapped his hands as he did in his fight against Mosley.  That would explain the inordinate amount of blood from Cotto’s face like he was hit by bricks. With regard to his fight against Clottey, keep in mind that Clottey is a much-bigger fighter who has fought as a middleweight contender.  After Cotto suffered an accidental head butt in the 3rd round he lacked aggression and he escaped with a split decision.

 

H owever, my opinion is that Cotto trained well for this fight.  And at a 145-lb. catch weight limit, he will NOT climb the ring drained of his strength.  What he has to do to beat Pacquiao is to utilize his potent jab. Yes he has one and he has knocked down opponents, such as Clottey and Gomez with it. He is a natural southpaw and can fight in either style, orthodox or lefty. He could occasionally switch to confuse the Pacman. He knows how to fight southpaw fighters as he had shown against Corley whom he T-kayoed in round 5.  He has a devastating double left hook, which he digs into his opponent’s ribs then redirects it to the opponent’s jaw followed by an overhand right.  Pacman is very open and very vulnerable to these punches.  Manuel Marquez tagged him several times with well-timed over-hand rights.  If Cotto can stay calm under Pacquiao’s early whirlwind assault, he has a good chance of winning. 

 

What Pacquiao has to do to win is to take the fight to Cotto early because Cotto is a slow starter. He would be able to gauge if his punches have any effect on Cotto and if he can take Cotto’s punches. Cotto was able to withstand Mosley’s right cross.  If Pac does not knock out Cotto early, he is in for a very-difficult fight because his last three bouts ended early so he may run out of juice in the later rounds. He has to watch for accidental head butts and low blows from Cotto. Thanks to Freddy Roach, Pacquiao is a much-better fighter today than he was when he fought Marquez in their March 2008 rematch.  Roach transformed him from a Kamikaze suicide bomber into a combination stealth fighter with stinger missiles. But is he strong enough to beat a much-bigger and younger man who has fought a better class of opponents?

 

Let us examine Pacquiao’s last two fights. He beat a dehydrated Oscar de la Hoya at the 145-lb. weight limit.  He beat Hatton at the 140-lb. limit. Hatton made a tactical error by banging early with a much-faster boxer so he got knocked out. But now Pacquiao is fighting a full-fledged welterweight, who is in his prime, has an excellent knockout record and a future hall of famer. I don’t know if he can do it. I hope it does not end up like the loser of the second Ortiz-Elorde fight.  “Da Flash” moved up in weight then too, from junior lightweight to lightweight and bit off more than he could chew.  Pacquiao vs. Cotto.  Ortiz vs. Elorde.  Pinoy vs. Boricua.  ENJOY!

 

The pick here is Cotto by TKO in round 11.

 

E ditor’s Note: The views and opinions herein are those of the writer and they do not necessarily reflect the views and opinions of the MabuhayRadio.com editors and staff members.


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Last Updated on Sunday, 08 November 2009 18:24
 
Comments (35)
1 Sunday, 08 November 2009 17:26
A lot of people didn't think then that Pacquiao would have a chance against De la Hoya who is bigger and taller than Marquez.

I still remember Elorde being KO'd by a much bigger Ortiz. But you have to remember that Elorde is no Pacquiao. Pacquiao has the power and stamina and can take a punch. No other Filipino boxer, past or present, except, maybe, Pancho Villa, who was a flyweight, can match his punching power.

I'll say that it will be a KO or a decision in 12 rounds for Pacquiao. Remember that the last time Pacquiao fought, I predicted the outcome correctly.

Pareng Don
2 Sunday, 08 November 2009 17:27
Pareng Don,

Elorde was no slouch. He defended his super-featherweight title 10 times before losing a close decision to Numata. He beat Sandy Saddler in a decision in their first match. Imagine Sandy Sandler the one who knocked out Willie Pep! When it comes to punching power, yes Pacman has a much higher percentage of KOs. When it comes to stamina, Elorde had many more 15 round fights than Pacman's 12 round fights. When it comes to taking punches, they can only go up in weight so much before feeling the sting of a bigger opponent's punch. In case of Elorde that happened in the hands of Ortiz. I pray it does not happen in the hands of Cotto for Pac.

Pareng Dido
3 Sunday, 08 November 2009 17:29
Pareng Dido,

You have a good point about stamina and I, probably, have used it incorrectly in our discussion. Case in point is Muhammad Ali's unexpected 8th round knockout win over George Foreman in Zaire in 1974, when Foreman, who was used to fighting via shorter route because of his punching power, lost his stamina and punched himself out by the 4th round. Of course, the intense heat in the jungle that night didn't help Foreman either.

But I think prizefighters nowadays are much stronger and better because of the much- improved nutrition and type of training they get compared to those fighters of yesteryears. Elorde was a great fighter and I'm not taking that away from him. But his 88 win-, 27 loss-record lack the luster in comparison with the boxing records of modern-day fighters. Imagine Pacquiao having a 49-27 record coming into the ring against Miguel Cotto who has a 34-1 record. Would you be impressed?

Yes, Elorde could have been the greatest Filipino boxer of all time but that's before Pacquiao.

Pareng Don
4 Sunday, 08 November 2009 17:30
Dear Comrades:

The Pacquiao-Cotto Championship Bout Is Like a Fight Between “Cousins”

URL: http://www.mabuhayradio.com/sections/sports/4708-the-pacquiao-cotto-championship-bout-is-like-a-fight-between-cousins.html

Happy reading,

Mabuhay,

Lolo Bobby M. Reyes
5 Sunday, 08 November 2009 17:32
As a journalist and a historian, you are second to none.

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Thank you also, Don, for your equally-kind words that you posted in the User's Comments section of our website.

If you noted in the Hispano-Filipino articles that I hyperlinked in my Pacquiao-Cotto piece, I have been promoting the further development of our linkages to the Latino communities in the United States and the Spanish-speaking countries. After all, one-sixth of the world speaks Spanish, plus the millions more of Portuguese-speaking people. By 2050, the Latinos will become the majority in states like California, Texas and several Western states. Even from the viewpoint of marketing Philippine tourism, it would help a lot if the Filipino tourism people would adopt the 1988 slogan that I coined, "The Philippines Is the Only Latino Archipelago in Asia." So far, there are no takers of the suggested slogan, not even the Philippine Department of Tourism.

The Pacquiao-Cotto article is just part of my personal campaign for HispanoFilipinism.

Mabuhay,

Lolo Bobby M. Reyes
6 Sunday, 08 November 2009 17:35
Oscar de la Hoya was no longer the "Golden Boy" when he fought Manny Pacquiao. Oscar was a has-been and he wanted merely another huge payday before he officially retired. And he did retire about his loss to Manny Pacquiao. In fact the event should have been called a "fixed fight," as Oscar's Golden Boy Promotions promoted it, knowing that De la Hoya no longer had what it takes to stage a decent bout. In fact I wrote that De la Hoya should not have paid his purse. To view again my article, Yes, the De la Hoya-Pacquiao Fight Was a Farce. It Was Only About Money & Gullible Fans Paid for It

Boxing has always been controversial amidst reports of Mob-influenced outcomes, especially in Lost (sic) Vegas. A Los Angeles Times columnist said that Manny Pacquiao's last fight was a "con job," as per this report, L.A. Times’ Bill Dwyre Says “Pacquiao, Hatton ‘News’ Is a Con Job” (As Updated W/ Predictions)

We can never be sure that the Mob is not using Manny to stage "fixed fights." If Pacquiao demolishes easily Cotto, then perhaps the Mob is just executing its plans for a bigger payday, the coming huge bout between Floyd Mayweather, Jr., and Pacquiao. After all, is it not true that Bob Arum manages and promotes both Pacquiao and Cotto? What boxing manager will permit two of his wards to destroy each other, unless . . . Does it smell now of a fixed fight?

Perhaps the November 14th bout will not be worth the greenbacks needed in buying the Pay-TV coverage. I will not certainly pay good money to see it.

Mabuhay,

Lolo Bobby M. Reyes
7 Sunday, 08 November 2009 17:37
There are always two sides in a fight. But as for me, Pacquiao won legitimately the fight against Dela Hoya and Hatton hands down. I have no doubts about Pacquaio's victories.

BT
8 Sunday, 08 November 2009 17:39
The fight vs. dela Hoya was suspiciously one sided although dela Hoya admitted he was dehydrated. the vs. hatton fight was legit and i attribute that to the fact that hatton's style is tailor made for Pacman. but if Pac beats cotto and his victory turns out to be as one sided as his match vs. De la Hoya, I would really be very suspicious. Just take a look at Cotto's matches against Juddah, Mosley and Gomez, which are all available via you tube.

Styles make fights. Holmes almost lost to Ken norton in 1978. Cooney KOd Norton in less thant 1 minute of the 1st round in 1981. the foll year Holmes TKOd cooney in the 13th. on paper you'd think cotto has a definite advantage, ie. higher weight div., high KO percentage, very good jab, very good chin, only 1 questionable loss...compare that to Pacquiao, lost to Morales, almost lost to Marquez, beat washed up delaHoya, beat up stationary hatton, yet Pac is the favorite....am i missing something?

Dido
9 Sunday, 08 November 2009 17:43
Pacquiao won all his fights fair and square,
One reason why the Philippines is so bad
cause of so many haka-haka making-up stories.
Please don't make believe stories.
Next issue of Time magazine cover will be
PACQUIAO. Let us all rejoice like Christmas

Nestor
10 Sunday, 08 November 2009 17:44
Hi, Nestor & Don:

The bad thing about it is that there are cynics in this world like the doubting Thomases, like conspiracy theorists: they are the incorrigible deniers, like people, who believe that Holocaust never existed.

Let's accept it as fact.

Go Pacman!


JOSEPH G. LARIOSA
Correspondent
Journal Group Link International
11 Sunday, 08 November 2009 17:48
Dear All,

I agree with Lolo Bobby. Si Pakyaw namamakjyaw lang ng mga laos na boksingero. Kung talagang magaling si Pakyaw, he should fight boxers who are in their prime, just like him. Hindi yun mga retirees na mga boksingero na hindi na halos makasuntok, like De La Hopia.

Jesse
12 Sunday, 08 November 2009 17:51
JGL,

The HOLOCAUST existed? Who told you that? BHObama? He LIES like a dog, you know that. Get a hold of yourself, my friend. Wake up to reality, please.

If Pakyaw wins against El Kuto, that would be another FIXED FIGHT by the mob. Money talks, especially in boxing....

So now, I heard Pakyaw is also a columnist? Is he one of those kind of journalists, who as you said, na "pinabili lang ng suka, pagbalik journalist na ... at columnist pa?"

Okey ngarud, take it easy now.

JJ
13 Sunday, 08 November 2009 17:53
Hi, JJ:

Good to know you are not a Holocaust denier.

Those who cannot believe that El Pakyaw can beat El Kuto fair and square are whiners and sour grapes, who cannot wake up to reality.

The column written by Pakyaw does not compare to your ability to write because you had a formal training to write. Manny’s column is like a column written by many Filipino politicians, who do not have literary style and credibility. It is Manny's tool, like a diary, to evade one-on-one interview or press conference.

Yes, he can belong to those “pinabili lang ng suka” types.

Take care.


Joseph
14 Sunday, 08 November 2009 18:05
Flash Elorde still holds the world record for being the longest world super featherweight champion ever - 7 years. so he made 10 successful defenses.

For those reasons i am reluctant to say that Pacquiao is greater than Flash Elorde.

Yes, winning titles in 7 weight divisions is already a very rare achievement. but it would have been the "rarest" if Pacquiao were able to defend each title at least 3x.

'ika nga ng marami - its so easy to become no. 1. It is hard to stay no. 1

For me, i consider 10 defenses of one title in one weight division in 7 years more difficult than 7 titles in 7 weight divisions without defending each one (oops not really, I just remembered that Pacquiao was able to defend some of his earlier titles a few times.

TRIVIA - did you know that Pacquiao made a (succesful) title defense during the Oakwood mutiny in July 2003?
15 Sunday, 08 November 2009 18:08
Francis,

And if only Elorde was not such a heavy smoker, he could have had a more- outstanding career

Dido
16 Monday, 09 November 2009 07:31
Hello JGL,

May the best man win. I hope that El Kuto won't beat up El Pakyaw too bad and re-arrange his facial features into a Martin Marfil look-alike. I heard that the "Roach" (IPIS), Pakyaw's trainer, had predicted a ninth-round knockout, but who's gonna get knocked-out in the ninth round is YET the unanswered question. We'll surely know the answer on the 14th, right?

Well, as I said, I hope El Kuto won't beat up too badly the future President of the Philippines. Wag sana naman makalog masyado ang utak ni Pakyaw from this fight, otherwise, we'll have the future president of the Philippines na kalog-kalog ang utak.

Okey ngarud, my friend, take it easy now.

JJ
(Jesse Jose)
17 Monday, 09 November 2009 07:32
Dear All,
It amazes me no end why even in an opportunity to show in unison that we Filipinos can be victors and derive pride in it. some of us just have l the penchant to run against the grain.

Some of just love to be contrabidas --UNASHAMEDLY. Patriotism is never the best value of many Filipinos.

BT
18 Monday, 09 November 2009 07:34
Hi Bart,

Pacman does not speak for me that is why i can look at this fight in a non-emotional objective way and I can simply present the pros and cons of each fighter. I do not see siding with Pacquaio as being patriotic. I want him to win because I like him but I still stand by my pick: Cotto by TKO in the 11th.

regards,

Dido
19 Monday, 09 November 2009 15:29
Hi Pareng Bart:

Good morning. Thanks so much for your thoughts. I agree with you!
Kahit na ano pa si Manny P. siya naman ay "sariling atin"!

My Junior just told me last night: "Dad, Manny is a Filipino. Weak or strong, loser or winner, he is your countryman! You have to back him up!"

Is it really that hard for us Filipinos to stand one and united with him???
I hate to be misunderrstood on this. So, allow me to say something else please.

I am not and I can not disagree with the right of our other kababayans to say what is in their hearts. They have the right to speak out their minds.

But I hope, that in fairness, they will also consider seriously what Manny has done for the Filipinos and the Philippines!

He made us "famous" in a civil and admirable way!

The other day, one of the technicians in the car shop I deal with saw the small Filipino flag in my car. And he said in a very complimentary way: "You are a countryman of Manny!"

I wonder if any other Filipino has personally accomplished as much as Manny has! Take into the equation the fact that he has had "no formal education" so to speak. And yet, look at the people who admire him and look in awe at him. Most of them are not even Filipinos and you can draw your own conclusions from that.

THEY ALL ADMIRE HIM!

Why can't we the Filipinos and his countrymen feel the same admiration for him?
WHY????

Manny may or may not win the fight on November 14. The outcome him winning the fight is a contingent event.

But regardless of the outcome, we should all be very, very proud of him.
And deep out and deep in, we should always wish him well! when he fights!

May the "force" be with him this Saturday!

MABUHAY si Manny P!

Ipagdasal natin na manalo sana siya sa Sabado!

Is that not the least we should, (all Filipinos), do for him?

Salamat. Ingat.

Rolly
20 Monday, 09 November 2009 15:33
Dear All,

It amazes me no end why even in an opportunity to show in unison that we Filipinos can be victors and derive pride in it. some of us just have l the penchant to run against the grain.

Some of just love to be contrabidas --UNASHAMEDLY. Patriotism is never the best value of many Filipinos.

BT
21 Monday, 09 November 2009 15:37
Hello Erapok,

I don't consider myself a Filipino patriot. I am a PATRIOT of the United States of America, UNASHAMEDLY!!! And, unapologetically, without question. If that makes me a kontrabida, so be it! I am no BHObama tuta though.

Jesse
22 Monday, 09 November 2009 15:38
My definition of patriotism is not necessarily tied to a specific nation. Patriotism is just love of country. If you are in America, then be patriotic to it. But, why are you muddling the discussion with issues of "tuta-ism." That issue is irrelevant in the topic at hand. It is uncalled for!

BT
23 Monday, 09 November 2009 15:45
--- On Mon, 11/9/09, Don Azarias don.azarias wrote:

Subject: Re: DidoSphere - Pacquiao-Cotto, Elorde-Ortiz II
Date: Monday, November 9, 2009, 4:20 PM


Pareng Rolly,

Your speech is what we call "eloquence with sincerity and distinction".

That's true: very few people have done what Manny Pacquiao has done for the Philippines and its people. People seem to forget that. All they do is try to undermine Pacquiao's ability and inject frivolous theories that seem to suggest that all of his important fights are "fixed".

Let me tell you this: In the history of boxing, defeating, let alone knocking out Mexican fighters is an exceptional accomplishment for any accomplished boxer. At least, give Manny Pacquiao a credit for doing that several times over. Not very many fighters from different parts of the world have done that.

Kudos to you, Pareng Rolly!

Pareng Don
24 Monday, 09 November 2009 15:48
Pareng Don,

I agree with you that beating top Mexican boxers is no easy feat that is why Pac was nicknamed Mexecutioner. But Cotto is Puerto Rican. Will the Puerto Rican Jinx live on?
Like most pinoys i am proud of Pacquiao and his accomplishments and in fact many non-Puerto Rican Latino friends of mine who are Mexicans, Dominicans, Colombians, Ecuadorians are picking Pacquiao to win and offer bets against me.

Nonetheless, my analytical mind tells me Cotto has a definite advantage, i.e., younger and bigger than Pac, better KO record, only once beaten in a questionable match, can knock down opponents with a jab, durable chin, has not really been hurt until the Margarito fight---Compare Pacquiao who was knocked out in his 1st two losses and was knocked down by Manuel Marquez and who beat dehydrated De la Hoya and a stationary Hatton. I would be very suspicious if Pacman beats the Boricua in a lopsided bout.

Pareng Dido
25 Monday, 09 November 2009 15:50
Pareng Dido,

It would a mistake comparing today's Manny Pacquiao to Manny Pacquiao when was just starting his boxing career. True, he had lost a couple of fights early in his career. But just like any truly gifted athlete, he was able to harness and refine his boxing talent that ultimately took him to the top------his peak. His training has improved his skills and strengthen his body and his "jaw".

I believe that, as of now, Pacquiao is still in his peak. Ask me about his ability again in a couple of years or so and I'll, probably, have a different answer.

As intended by the law of nature, "once you reached your peak, there is no other way but down." Not even the greatest of the greats can find can find his way around it. They are mere mortals like Ali, Foreman, Frazier, Arguello, Hagler, Hearns, Leonard and others including our very own------the legendary Flash Elorde.

Didn't it ever occur to you that peoples' talents, especially in sports, take time to fully-develop at times. Think about all of those baseball, basketball, football and hockey players who developed late but ultimately excelled in their sports. Golfers are the same way too. Tiger Woods is still in his prime but, in later years, he will be nothing more but a legend like Jack Nicklaus and Arnold Palmer. Michael Jordan is now playing golf because he can no longer play basketball the way he used to. And, few years from now, Tom Brady and the Manning brothers will join Jordan on the golf course. Derek Jeter and Alex Rodriguez will be a twosome too one day.

I'm only trying to vigorously defend my position, Pareng Dido and I hope you'll understand. But believe me, I always consider you as a person with a brilliant mind.

Best,

Pareng Don
26 Monday, 09 November 2009 15:54
Pareng Don

You mean to say that after the victorious fight of Manny Pacquiao this Saturday....he should seriously consider pursuing his singing and acting career....huwag na yong politics or golf.....

hindi para sa kanya yon.

Pareng Deb.
27 Monday, 09 November 2009 15:55
Pareng Don,

I agree with you. No two athletes are exactly alike in their progress and development. This fight can turn out like the Sanchez-Gomez bout. or it can turn out like the Pryor-Arguello bout. Those who follow boxing would know who's who and what i am talking about. If it turns out like another Pacquiao-Hatton, I would be very suspicious.

Pareng dido
28 Monday, 09 November 2009 15:57
Pareng Deb,

In my opinion, Manny Pacquiao doesn't have it to be a singer. I watched those clips that you, Perry and Dr. Tom sent. And, like me, Perry also noticed Pacquiao's very distinct accent when he belted out the song, "Sometimes When We Touch" by Dan Hill. Pacquiao sang "Sometimes win we tats.......I wanna huld yu til i die til we buth brik down ind cry"

I doubt if Freddie Roach can do something about that.

Pareng Don
29 Monday, 09 November 2009 15:59
Hello Erapok, et al,

And what does patriotism got to do with the Kuto/Pakyaw upcoming bout? That, too, is irrelevant to the isuue at hand.

The issue here, is: Will Kuto beat up Pakyaw? If the mob, as Bobby Reyes said, won't dip their hands in it, El Kuto will surely squash Pakyaw, like a kuto. But money talks, in Vegas-staged, mob-orchestrated boxing.

And as Dido pointed out, the last two wins of Pakyaw against De La Hopya and El Capon (Hatton) had outcomes that were both "suspicious." So, if Pakyaw wins this fight, again it would be another FARCE. A farce, that Filipinos all over the world, would be rejoicing in ... again. Tsk, tsk, tsk. What a shame!

JJ
30 Monday, 09 November 2009 22:30
You know, even Rocky Marciano, the bloodiest fighter of all time - was not immune from doubts or criticisms about his ability. Rocky always came out bloody after all his fights, and yet...the suspicion of "mob influence" was always there. It wasn't a fair criticism, the guy was good! So, on Nov. 14th - I hope Manny fights a bloody fight, the bloodier, the better. Let blood flow, so that we can lay our doubts to rest. Look at his past fights - he got bloodied by Marquez, and good for him - he won, in spite of it. If his fight against de la Hoya had been "fixed" as the doubters would say, then, why did Oscar allow himself to be beat up,bloodied for eight rounds? Wouldn't it have been better for Oscar to say, "In the fifth, my ass goes down!" (a la Bruce
Willis in "Pulp Fiction").

It's not that I don't have any doubts at all about Manny's abilities. Hey, PR's also happen to be topnotch boxers! PR has produced the likes of Camacho, Tito Trinidad and other greats. Let Pac-Man and Cotto slug it out....but my bet is still on Pacquiao. I have confidence in him.

Addi
31 Monday, 09 November 2009 22:32
Pareng Jesse,

"Moneybag" is not the issue. Win or lose, Money Pacquiao gets his share of the revenue. However, if he continues to win, his share of future bouts will increase.

I happen to believe that Pacquiao will beat Cotto. However, if I think that Pacquiao would lose, I will not broadcast it to the whole world out of respect for Pacquiao.

What's pathetic is that there are some Pinoys (kuno) who are telling the whole world that Pacquiao beat De La Hoya and Hatton because the fights were fixed. That's a lot of baloney and disrespect for Pacquiao. It's not fair to Pacquiao who has earned the respect of millions of fans around the world.

In my opinion, when you put down Pacquiao, you're putting down yourself and all the Pinoys in the world. I wouldn't be surprised to hear a redneck say, "Look at these monkeys, one of them becomes the best pound-for-pound fighter and they pull him down!"

Isn't that what we call "crab mentality"?

Best,
Perry
32 Monday, 09 November 2009 23:17
Hi, JJ:

Since El Bobby and El Dido have no proof yet that El Pakyaw had the over-reaching and omnipotent power to fix the game, let's give El Pakyaw the credit of beating to the pulp El Kuto if he beats Kuto.

Don’t employ the defense mechanism of our corrupt Filipino politicians -- who use the standard line -- they were cheated when they lose.

Lumang tugtugin na yan. Kumita na yan.

I thought you are no longer influenced by our corrupt politicians because you are now an American patriot?

Although politicians are good at keeping under the wraps the way they cheat, cheating in boxing is very hard to detect because everybody can see how boxers beat each other up on TV.

Because of this transparency, you cannot tell Filipinos to stay away from TV when Manny beats up his opponent to pieces.

But if somebody can come up with a tiny shred of evidence that Manny can influence the mob that will be the time that they will stop watching Manny make more money.

For now, let's give Filipinos the benefit of enjoying how Manny will tear Cotto apart while El Bobby and El Dido are looking for their evidence!

Cheers!

JGL
33 Tuesday, 10 November 2009 20:00
mabuhay
As sent by Columnist Jesse Jose to Perry Diaz, with CC this Editor:

Pareng Perry,

May I differ with you? I don't agree with that opinion. That's putting all Pinoys in a "BOX." In one box, where everybody MUST think alike, talk alike ... and even look alike. And that if you dare think or say anything outside of that box, you're "putting yourself down and all the Pinoys in the world" and that if you don't align yourself with Pinoys within that box, you're a "cock-eyed" Pinoy. That's limiting yourself and confining yourself within that box ... ONLY! You follow me, pare ko?

We, Pinoys, or anybody else, for that matter, should be free to think and to talk and to voice our opinons freely, on anything or on anybody, without fear, whether that person you wish to comment on is Pakyaw or not. That's the American way.

When George W. Bush was still the president, many Americans laughed at him and put him down, almost like on a daily basis. Late-TV comedians and liberal-minded journalists, print and broadcast, had constantly laughed at him. And he was the president of the United States, the most powerful country in the whole world. Surely those Americans who put him down and made fun of him did not feel that they were putting themselves down as Americans, do you? They were voicing out their opinions, and acting like the typical Americans.

Si Pakyaw, boksingero lang, pare. True, he's got a lot of fans and Filipino admirers and one of our own. He's also a "public" person, and anybody who is a public personna, will have always have plenty of detractors and critics.

If you remember, you yourself and several people on this list serve had also made fun of Pakyaw's Visayan accent and singing "talent."

Nasa America na tayo, pare. We have chosen this country now as our country, and our children's country. And it's a great country, may I add. Therefore, we Pinoys, should now think like Americans. NOT as Pinoys within that proverbial box, thinking alike and talking alike and perhaps, even wanting to look alike.

Pare, it's time to leave that box and join Mainstream America and voice out whatever opinions we want to voice out.

As to that crab mentality of Pinoys, UNFORTUNATELY, you're right about that. We also possess a "monkey mentality." You know, as in "monkey see, monkey do." Do you know that Mariah Carey, that famous and very sexy American singer said that Filipinos are "like monkeys"? Did you hear about that?

Not too long ago, she watched a concert in her honor, of Philippine singers, who imitated her. I suppose they were able to imitate her singing and stage antics so closely that she called those Mariah Carey look-alike singers as a "bunch of monkeys."

She was right, because Pinoys COPY and IMITATE everything that they see of America. We are talented imitators. We are monkeys allright, with a "monkey mentality" ... monkey see, monkey do, yes, we are. That's another unfortunate trait that we have, don't you thinK?

Alimango na nga tayo, tsongo pa.

But back to Pakyaw, Scoop ... HE'S gonna lose, I tell ya!

Okey ngarud, my friend, take care now.

Jesse



In a message dated 11/9/2009 5:26:05 PM Pacific Standard Time, This e-mail address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it writes:
In my opinion, when you put down Pacquiao, you're putting down yourself and all the Pinoys in the world. I wouldn't be surprised to hear a redneck say, "Look at these monkeys, one of them bocomes the best pound-for-pound fighter and they pull him down!"

Isn't that what we call "crab mentality"?
34 Tuesday, 10 November 2009 20:08
Jesse Jose writes: We Pinoys, should now think like Americans. NOT as Pinoys within that proverbial box, thinking alike and talking alike and perhaps, even wanting to look alike.


Pareng Jesse,

That is so profound, so enriching . . . something that could only come from you, or somebody like you who possessed the knowledge, the understanding, the tolerance, the experience and the talent to articulate one's thoughts.

Thanks so much. This one truly lives up to your reputation, fearless, barakong-barako! Best regards,

Romy Marquez
35 Tuesday, 10 November 2009 20:23
Pareng Romy, et al,

Thanks. I am sure glad somebody here on this list serve has got an open mind ... and who's not a FANATIC do-or-die fan of Pakyaw. Blind fanaticism is a dangerous thing in this country.

Of course, Pakyaw couldn't care less about patriotism or fanaticism and all the other isms. As you said, it's the "moneybag" that counts. The loot for Pakyaw this time is 13-million dollars, isn't? There's a lot of money in the pot that the mob would be interested in, that's for sure.

If this fight will be an "HONEST" fight and not dictated by the MOB, El Kuto would surely beat Pakyaw's butt and put him in dreamland. Maybe around the 9th round or earlier. We'll see on the 14th of this month. Go Kuto!

Take care now.

Pareng Jesse

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